Thus, the task is not so much to see what no one yet has seen, but to
think what nobody yet has thought about that which everybody sees. - Schopenhauer
Excerpts from website anxious to believe that ancient people had nuclear
Ancient City Found In India Irradiated By Nuclear Blast 8,000 Years Ago
Radiation still so intense, the area is highly dangerous
A heavy layer of radioactive ash in
Rajasthan, India, covers a three-square mile area, ten miles west of
Jodhpur. Scientists are investigating the site, where a housing development was being built.
Scientists have unearthed an ancient city
where evidence shows an atomic blast dating back thousands of years,
from 8,000 to 12,000 years, destroyed most of the buildings and probably
a half-million people. One researcher estimates that the nuclear bomb
used was about the size of the ones dropped on Japan in 1945.
Myth Reference from Article
"An ancient battle is described in the
Drona Parva, a section of the Mahabharata. 'The passage tells of combat
where explosions of final weapons decimate entire armies, causing crowds
of warriors with steeds and elephants and weapons to be carried away as
if they were dry leaves of trees,' says [researcher] Ganguli."
[Editor's note: Ganguli is not a
"researcher" but is the now long dead author of the Mahabharata]
Dwardu Cardona comments:
For all it's worth, the descriptions of the holocaust from the DRONA
PARVA section of the MAHABHARATA as relayed by this Kroniatalk person
are entirely correct–by which I mean that these descriptions ARE
contained in the DRONA PARVA.
However, it should be kept in mind that deities (and planetary ones
at that) also took part in this warfare in which the "Triple City" was
Even so, as I had long ago realized, the descriptions of this battle,
and especially its aftermath, read very much like a modern atomic
confrontation. Personally, I do not believe that atomic weapons were
known during the time of the Bharata War, but this has always left
another door open - which raises the question: Could the planetary
thunderbolts (the weapons of the Bharata War) which brought the
Saturnian configuration to an end have been imbued with nuclear energy?
I'm sure Thornhill will be against this notion and, not to be
misunderstood, I am only posing the question. But one thing HAS to be
kept in mind: As already stated, and I could supply more quotes, the
descriptions in the DRONA PARVA are identical to descriptions that came
out of the Hiroshima bombing and, in fact, I have compared the DRONA
PARVA battle, item by item, with the Hiroshima event. These events
As for the reported discoveries of sites in India which bear
radioactive strata, I had never before now read anything of the sort
and, as far as I know, nothing of the sort has made it into the type of
news-literature I usually peruse.
I'm curious: how would an electrical explanation of the phenomenon
account for the residual radiation?
Amy Acheson responds:
I would guess that we always need to keep that pot on the back
burner–the possibility that previous civilizations have already "blasted
themselves back into the stone age." So I won't discount it completely.
But the Mahabharata is not at all alone in describing "an unknown
weapon, an iron thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death". This is
certainly the same story told round the world of the gods and their
lightning-weapons. That's why the working title of Dave and Wal's
upcoming book is "Thunderbolts of the Gods". So, if this ancient city
was destroyed by an atomic bomb, then there must have been many other
bombs dropped as well to generate the many other stories.
The other possibility (the one that I favor) is that the description
of gigantic thunderbolts is a description of interplanetary electrical
interactions. And, like particle accelerators in labs, a planetary
thunderbolt would also be capable of initiating both fusion and fission
reactions that could produce radioactive isotopes.
Certainly something of that sort happened to the dinosaurs in
Colorado–paleontologists have to hide their finds because old
prospectors (with Geiger counters) would grind up dinosaur bones for
their uranium content. Like the article reports in India, many areas of
the Rockies produce rocks which (when used in building foundations and
fill) lead to some of the highest rates of cancer and deformities in the
Thanks for your reply. You mentioned the possibility that
previous civilizations have already "blasted themselves back into the
One reason I find this possibility incredible is the extensive
infrastructure required to create nuclear weapons, and the intense
contamination caused by nuclear reactors, chemical plants (for making
conventional explosives), electronics factories, etc. As far as I know,
no evidence of such ancient toxic sites exists.
And the nuclear explanation cannot account for the "fighting sky
chariots," or the imagery of lightning bolts. (As we know too well,
nukes are more like "balls of fire.")
I asked about electrical causes of residual nuclear radiation, and I
like your answer:
"...like particle accelerators in labs, a
planetary thunderbolt would also be capable of initiating both fusion
and fission reactions that could produce radioactive isotopes."
Stupendous discharges could involve temperatures great enough for
fusion (around 10^8 - 10^9 K), and if enough unstable isotopes were
created, some radiation might remain after thousands of years. One could
estimate the magnitude of the discharge from the amount and kind of
residues. I'd think that given the geology of a site, one could also
search for "combustion products" typical of such temperatures in the
local surface and building materials.
Please understand that I am a complete novice to the theories of
catastrophism, and largely skeptical (for want of having read the
evidence). But the idea enchants me, both the scope of the questions it
addresses, and the audacity of its claims. It's a pleasure to be part of
Michael Armstrong jumped in with:
My answer is not intended to be definitive but is just exploring some
alternatives to an atomic weapon explanation.
First of all it is helpful to get some things into perspective. The
US military has what is called a FAB, a fuel-air-bomb that is comparable
to a nuclear weapon in explosive energy release and destruction. The
device works simply by exploding an aerosol device that mixes a huge
amount of flammable fuel such as propane with a comparable amount of air
into an explosive mixture over a wide area, and then detonates it in a
huge and widespread fireball. The magnitude of the size of the aerosol
cloud before detonation is what gives this device such destructive
Secondly, it is apparent that in a catastrophe on October 8, 1871
around the Chicago area and known as the Great Chicago Fire, a small
piece of a comet entered the Earth's' atmosphere and both discharged
electrically and exploded and burned an area that covered parts of four
Material that would be coming at us from outer space would most
probably be coming from a non-oxygenating environment and could consist
of almost any materials, many of which would react violently in the
Earth's Oxygen-Nitrogen atmosphere. It is helpful to understand that for
the non-metallic elements, Oxygen and Nitrogen are the second and third
most chemically reactive elements behind Fluorine. A chunk of material
coming in could be partly elemental Phosphorous, Selenium or Sulphur,
Even vaporized Fe has a tremendous reactive potential when suddenly
released into Oxygen/Nitrogen. According to Velikovsky's research we
have significant reason to believe that chunks of frozen
hydrocarbons–naphtha, methane, ethane, propane, acetylene, etc.–have
intersected the Earth and rained down fire and flammable material with
Thirdly, in the electrical universe view of things, it is possible
and even probable for incoming material to be charged–sometimes even
HIGHLY charged–in relationship to the Earth, and then, after glowing
brightly on its way into our electrical environment, to discharge in a
bolt or bolts between it and the Earth. Such a discharge could or would
fragmentize or vaporize this material, and in a moment release the
combined electrical, chemical and kinetic energy, and could easily make
our largest nuclear weapons look puny by comparison.
Finally, it is a postulate of the electric universe view that such
highly energetic discharges in/through our atmosphere can and do
initiate a degree of nuclear fusion, say, between O & O giving S, and
can rain down a shower of radioactive material, or otherwise produce
radioactivity and remenant magnetism around the crater or rille. And,
there is nothing to say that incoming material cannot be already radioactive.
I hope this helps us all see that there is a significant range of
possibilities for the above type of destruction other than postulating
that such was a designed-by-intelligence nuclear weapon in purposeful
warfare. Probably variations of the above scenario have happened MANY
times down through the ages and around the world. Consider the Tunguska
event. See Dr. V's writings regarding the time around Sennacherib in
Worlds in Collision and other articles in Pensee and
Kronos concerning such destructive fireballs as well as
discharge-induced fusion. I also hope that you continue to sleep well :>)
Hank May added:
My background is in ionizing radiation, but (as with everyone else on
the planet) I have had no experience with fission or fusion caused by
interplanetary lightning or thunderbolt strikes. One can only speculate.
I would simply like to point out that Mark's mentioned an essential
point that must be considered in any study of the possibilities.
Although a self described novice, he pointed out that "One could
estimate the magnitude of the discharge by the amount and kind of
residues ... and could search for "combustion products".
I am doubtful about estimating the magnitude of the thunderbolt, but
he is solidly on the mark about studying the amounts and kinds of
[radioactive] residues and combustion products. Such a study could
likely shed light on whether fission or fusion took place, when it took
place, and the amount of fissioning/fusioning that occurred. It could
also eliminate possibilities such as the radiation being natural, or
even modern contamination events (such as surreptitious disposal or
dispersal of radioactive waste).
For example, Amy mentioned radioactive dinosaur bones and wondered
what caused that. Knowing that the radionuclide is uranium strongly
suggests that the radioactivity is natural. Determining the isotopic
ratio of U235/U238 would confirm it, and a careful analysis of decay
products associated with the uranium would clinch it with near absolute
certainty. There is also a mechanism that is known ... uranium deposits
were created when solubilized uranium flowed through underground
interstices until it arrived at a place (different pH, different
chemical environment, etc.) where it left solution and precipitated.
Dinosaur bones back then might have contained (and apparently did
contain) the right chemicals to cause the precipitation. I think
radioactive dinosaur bones are well known and the cause understood,
although I once did a quick search to confirm this and found that the
literature to be scant (nonexistent). I didn't find anything, but I have
a strong recollection of seeing an article somewhere on dinosaur bones
contaminated with uranium, during my career in environmental radiation.
I am left wondering if the astronauts on the moon were able to
collect any information that would shed light on the specific
radio-nuclides that are responsible for the enhanced radiation of craters
on the moon (mentioned by Wal). If so, the data could shed a lot of
light on the mystery.
Anna Morton added from her experience:
I have a large collection of dino bones from Colorado and Utah. These
are from many different species and come from different geological
periods too. They all are radioactive. The bones from Moab, Utah show
the same amount of radioactivity as the bones from Fruita in Colorado.
Both areas are famous for their uranium deposits. The question is, are
these bones contaminated?
I purchased at one time some fossilized eggs from China, and they
show radioactivity as well as the bones from Argentina.
HANK MAY ADDED A CAUTION:
I am assuming that all of the radioactivity is from contamination by
natural uranium, which decays predominantly by alpha emission.
Alpha radiation is extremely hazardous if it gets inside the body,
but poses negligible threat otherwise, as alpha particles cannot
penetrate the dead layer of skin. However, the alpha decay and
subsequent decays are accompanied by beta and gamma radiation, which can
penetrate the skin and can be hazardous if there is enough of it. I
would recommend that you not eat any of the bones (which hardly needs to
be said), and that you also not store them under your bed or anywhere
where you are apt to spend a lot of time very near them.
Returning to Questioner:
I'm curious: how would an electrical explanation of the phenomenon
account for the residual radiation?
Wal Thornhill replies:
There is absolutely no reason to attribute nuclear technology to
ancient people. Velikovsky gave the answer to this question decades ago
in the 1950's when he claimed in Earth in Upheaval, "Should an
interplanetary discharge take place between the Earth and another
celestial body, such as a planet... with possibly billions of volts of
potential difference and nuclear fission or fusion, the effect would be
similar to that of an explosion of many hydrogen bombs...". He claimed
in advance that some craters on the Moon would exhibit enhanced
radioactivity. That was later discovered to the surprise of geologists.
The specific appearance and action of the electric discharge is the
realm of the plasma physicist and high-voltage electrical engineering.
The tornadic effects "causing crowds of warriors with steeds and
elephants and weapons to be carried away as if they were dry leaves of
trees" is expected from the rotary nature of such a discharge and the
acceleration of matter upwards. The strange type of burning associated
with an electric arc is also expected and was reported in the famous
Chicago fires at the time of the return of Biela's comet. It is also
interesting, given the widespread association of "thunderstones" with
lightning, that the blast should be called an "iron thunderbolt". The
parasol imagery is interesting and potentially important.
Well, I guess that answers the question I posed in my previous
message re this discussion. However, let's be careful here. The Triple
City destroyed during the DRONA PARVA battle compares with the triple
city associated with the Saturnian/Martian hero and must therefore be
understood as a celestial entity. (I won't go into details here, but
think of the Saturnian enclosure, or band, which, at one time, was
composed of three individual rings before it separated into seven.)
If that is the case, then the warriors involved in this battle would
also have had to have been celestial entities (Talbott's hordes of
And yet, the ills that befell the CONQUERING army, together with
their steeds and elephants, as also the damage suffered by buildings and
innocent birds, compare so favorably with the aftermath of a nuclear
holocaust, that one is torn between accepting the entire event as being
TOTALLY celestial or only PARTIALLY so.