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Better to reign in hell than to serve in heaven. - Milton

Thoughts on Obedience
Updated: 10/02/2020

Given that outside of it being used in the parable of the Prodigal Son, human obedience is mentioned just once in the five Gospels properly translated.

John 7:19-24  "Did not Moses give you{pl} the Old Testament law?  Yet none of you{pl} obeys this law.  Why do you{pl} seek to kill me?"  The people answered and said, "You must have a demon!  Who is seeking to kill you?"  Jesus answered them, "I did one deed, and you{pl} all marvel.  Because this Moses has given circumcision (not that it is from Moses, but from the fathers), you{pl} will circumcise a man upon the Sabbath holiday.  If on the Sabbath holiday a man receives circumcision, and the law of Moses is not broken, why are you{pl} angry with me because I made a human being healthy on a Sabbath holiday?  Do not judge superficially, but judge reasonably."

Other uses in the Revised Standard Version are in:

Matthew 8:27 "What sort of man is this, that even winds and sea obey him?"

Mark 1:27 "What is this? A new teaching? With authority he commands even the unclean spirits, and they obey him."

Mark 4:41 "Who then is this, that even wind and sea obey him?"

Luke 8:25 "Who then is this, that he commands even wind and water, and they obey him?"

Luke 17:5,6  The apostles said to the Master, "Increase our faith!"  And the Master said, "If you{pl} have faith as a grain of mustard, you{pl} may say to this sycamine tree, 'Be rooted up, and be planted in the sea,' even it would obey you{pl}."

As can be seen, the above passages ONLY talk about THINGS--not people--obeying!

Most probably our word "obey" comes from the Latin obedire, which has a range of meanings from "serve or be subject to" to "pay heed", to "listen or give ear to". More importantly, the Greek word ύπακούουσίν used for "obey" above has the same meaning range.

Do you think that the noble creator/originator of the universe wanted to produce toadies to assuage his ego? Or do you think he wanted to relate to equals throughout eternity? Which would you rather have?

The point is that Jesus did NOT talk about us obeying God! Rather we are to be mature sons where the role of the Father entity is ultimately to serve us as individuals and families. The obedience mentality comes right out of the false legalistic paradigm, where God is the author of fiat laws and rules instead of principles and values. Legalism is NOT in any way COMPATIBLE with the Gospel truth!

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